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(Addendum to "Doomsday or Bust" from TheCrypt - http://inyourface.info/crypt/)
 
What is the Matter with Strange Matter?
 
Michio Kaku who is at City College of New York and has a podcast and radio  program called Explorations on WBAI is a theoretical physicist who says there is nothing to worry about when the LHC is turned back on. As a qualification of that statement, I wish to remind everyone that opposing views also exist.
 
"...the real headline-grabber is
   the claim that the world's most powerful particle-smasher could create
   microscopic black holes that some fear would gobble up the planet..."
(Discovery Website)
 
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) the SUPER atom-smasher located at the CERN  research center in France and Switzerland will continue the scientific  quest already underway at Fermilab (Illinois) and elsewhere to discover and identify the Higgs boson (the so-called "god-particle") and search for supersymmetry (supersymmetric particles) and for proof; that is, evidence for all those extra dimensions.
 
The debate continues. And to reiterate my own view as someone who is definitely interested in science but only has an amateur knowledge of
science; personally I don't care if this thing does "gobble up the planet" because I don't believe in an anthropic specialness as a great many others do.
 
As a human I think whether we survive or not is not so important and the only significance for me is the fact that I am an animal sharing this planet with other animals and I feel some sadness for other animals who may cease to exist because of us - (and have already).
 
Michio Kaku argues that the creation of a black hole which would swallow the planet is science fiction. Others, including at least one Nobel prize winner (in physics) argues otherwise.
 
Michio Kaku (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24556999/)
says:
 
   "About those black holes ...
   The black holes that may (or may not) be generated by the Large Hadron
   Collider would have theoretical rather than practical applications."
   (Kaku-MSNBC)
 
   "If the colliders detectors turn up evidence of black holes, that would suggest that gravity is stronger on a subatomic scale than it is
   on the distance scales scientists have been able to measure so far. That, in turn, would support the weird idea that we live in a 10- or
   11-dimensional universe, with some of the dimensions rolled up so tightly that they can't be perceived." (Kaku-MSNBC)
 
   "It will be extremely exciting if the LHC did produce black holes," CERN theoretical physicist John Ellis said. "OK, so some people are
   going to say, 'Black holes? Those big things eating up stars?' No. These are microscopic, tiny little black holes. And they're extremely
   unstable. They would disappear almost as soon as they were produced."  (MSNBC - see above link)
 
"Not everyone is convinced that the black holes would disappear. "It doesn't have to be that way," said Walter Wagner, a former radiation safety officer with a law degree who is one of the plaintiffs in the federal lawsuit. Despite a series of reassuring scientific studies, Wagner and   others insist that the black holes might not fizzle out, and they fear that the mini-singularities produced by the Large Hadron Collider will fall to the center of the earth, grow larger and swallow more and more of Earth's matter." (MSNBC)
 
   "Ellis, Kaku and a host of other physicists point out that cosmic rays
   in space are far more energetic than the collisions produced in the
   Large Hadron Collider, and do not produce the kinds of persistent
   black holes claimed by the critics. In the most recent report, CERN
   scientists rule out the globe-gobbling black holes and the other
   nightmares enumerated in the lawsuit, even under the most outlandish
   scenarios. Wagner remains unconvinced, however." (MSNBC)
 
   "I don't think the knowledge we are going to acquire by doing such an
   experiment outweighs the risk that we are taking, if we can't quantify
   that risk. ... We need to obtain other evidence," he said.
   (ibid-MSNBC)
 
--- SEE Boon or doom? Collider stirs debate - LHC- msnbc.com
   URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24556999/
 
How About Strangelets?
 
The Blogger-Commander-In-Chief at thebiglife.wordpress.com writes:
(http://thebiglife.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/3-doomsday-scenarios-involving-the-large-hadron-collider/)
 
"Gobbled by Strangelets. Strangelet, such a happy term, right? It's
short for "strange nugget," and, well, there's nothing happy about it.
A strangelet is a bit of strange matter, (yes, I'm still not making
that up!) that, upon contact with normal earth matter, turns the earth
matter into strange matter itself. Imagine if this strangelet was
stabilized, and, well, started turning the nuclei of nearby earth
matter into strange matter -- imagine this going on a thousand times
over, at a speed that can only match the number of earth matter that
comes into contact with the strangelet that's growing. Bam! Instantly
the earth will become nothing more than a huge ball of strange matter.
Or, alternate scenario, since strangelets are anti-matter candidates,
they may just blow up upon contact with Earth." (thebiglife)
 
"Devoured by a microscopic black hole. They say that a black hole
evaporates in time because of Hawking radiation -- and, well, say, for
your normal average sized-black hole, it will take lifetimes before
you ever see it happen. But a small, teensy, tiny microscopic black
hole? If, say, they do make a black hole in the facility -- it might
not disappear -- and since black holes are of such high density,
placed on the earth's surface, it'll slice it's way to the earth's
core like a hot knife through butter, after which, it'll oscillate
back, over and over, until it has consumed enough matter to slow down.
By that time, the earth might be gone, by the way." (ibid-thebiglife)
 
Science writer Alan Boyle (winner of the AAAS Science Journalism Award,
the NASW Science-in-Society Award and other honors; a contributor to "A
Field Guide for Science Writers"; and a member of the board of the Council
for the Advancement of Science Writing is the science editor for MSNBC
where he writes the COSMIC LOG.
 
Alan writes about the fears of doomsday and the LHC (March 17, 2008):
 
"...Could the collider create mini-black holes that
last long enough and get big enough to turn into a matter-sucking
maelstrom? Could exotic particles known as magnetic monopoles throw
atomic nuclei out of whack? Could quarks recombine into "strangelets"
that would turn the whole Earth into one big lump of exotic matter?
(Cosmic Log)
 
A former nuclear safety officer Walter Wagner along with Luis Sancho filed
a lawsuit against CERN to shut down the collider. He raises some
interesting issues and scenarios as iterated in the lawsuit and herein
described by Alan Boyle in Cosmic Log:
 
(QUOTE)
 
   * Runaway black holes: Some physicists say the LHC could create
   microscopic black holes that would hang around for just a tiny
   fraction of a second and then decay. Sancho and Wagner worry that
   millions of black holes might somehow persist and coalesce into a
   compact gravitational mass that would draw in other matter and
   grow bigger. That's pure science fiction, said Michio Kaku, a
   theoretical physicist at the City College of New York. "These
   black holes don't live very long, and they have microscopic
   energy, and so they are harmless," he told me.
 
   * Strangelets: Smashing protons together at high enough energies
   could create new combinations of quarks, the particles that
   protons are made of. Sancho and Wagner worry that a
   nasty combination known as a stable, negatively charged strangelet
   could theoretically turn everything it touches into strangelets as
   well. Kaku compared this to the ancient myth of the Midas touch.
   "We see no evidence of this bizarre theory," he said. "Once in a
   while, we trot it out to scare the pants off people. But it's not
   serious."
 
   * Magnetic monopoles: One theory suggests that high-energy particle
   collisions might give rise to massive particles that have only one
   magnetic pole - only north, or only south, but not the north-south
   magnetism that dominates nature. Sancho and Wagner worry that such
   particles could be created in the LHC and start a runaway reaction
   that converts atoms into other forms of matter. But physicists
   have seen no evidence of such reactions, which should have
   occurred already as the result of more energetic cosmic-ray
   collisions in Earth's upper atmosphere.
 
(END QUOTE)
 
My additional thoughts about this is to suggest - if it matters at all -
that we might be more prudent to try to figure out the cosmos and how the
universe really works before we open up this Pandora's Box. No one is
absolutely sure what will happen and everyone here knows what is not
expected to happen very often does. I forgot the general rule for that,
but doesn't Murphys Law also suggest if something bad is going to happen
it very often does happen.
 
   I never had a slice of bread,
   Particularly large and wide,
   That did not fall upon the floor,
   And always on the buttered side.
 
 
Hank Roth
 
 
Links:
 
(1) http://www.lhcountdown.com/
(2) http://inyourface.info/ArT/Sci/EnD.shtml
(3) http://inyourface.info/ArT/Sci/Doomsday.shtml
(4) http://inyourface.info/crypt/
(5) http://thebiglife.wordpress.com/
(6) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
 
 
 
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 Many physicists are passionate about the existence of Supersymmetry and
Superpartners.

 There are according to the theory of supersymmety MANY kinds of matter
which cannot be seen but they may exist and these particles are called
superpartners. These particles have never been seen in spite of all of the
efforts by particle physicists to detect them. When the Large Hadron
Collider is turned on there is the hope that supersymmetry will be
detected.

 Built at a cost of billions of dollars, when it is finally operational,
the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, the European Organization for
Nuclear Research in Geneva, Switzerland, which in collaboration with
hundreds of universities and laboratories world-wide will have the
potential to detect new particles and create micro black holes. It is
situated in the Alps, 570 feet under-ground at the Swiss-French border.

 The Large Hadron Collider is enormous. It is 27 kilometers (17 miles) in
circumference and contains 10,000 ultra-powerful large magnets to repel
particles to speeds approaching nature's speed limit - the speed of light.

 When beams of protons smash into each other there will be so much energy
compressed into a tiny space that formerly unknown matter will be created,
if only momentarily - like it was at the time of origin of the cosmos. It
may even result in micro-black holes very much like the primordial black
holes created during the Big Bang.

 "Two streams of protons, traveling in opposite directions at about
99.999999 percent of the speed of light, will collide head on. Each
collision will contain up to 14 trillion electron volts, or 14 thousand
giga-electron volts, of energy. So far, the most energetic collisions
studied at a particle accelerator, at the Tevatron at the Fermi National
Accelerator Laboratory, have had less than two thousand giga-electron
volts. The Tevatron is an impression machine, the the LHC is a big step
forward." (Dan Hooper, Dark Cosmos in Search of Our Universe's Mission
Mass and Energy - 2006 - Smithsonian Books)

 Will superpartner particles appear as new supersymmetry particles and
annihilate other matter in the universe? Will these black holes suck us
all into them? Will the Earth cease to exist? What effect will the LHC
have on our Solar System - on our Universe?
(Today is Monday)
   Starting Over on Tuesday

 99.9% of all the species that ever lived on Earth are now extinct. We are
in the Holocene epoch often referred to as the 6th major extinction period
for life on planet Earth.
It Can Happen Tomorrow or in 1,000 years or TODAY!

 Mass extinction are evolutionary opportunities by eliminating dominate
species. We are currently the dominate species on Earth. It has been
suggested that we probably owe our species dominance to the last major
mass extinction, the K/T event that wiped out dinosaurs and open up a
nitch for small mammals to become bigger and to become diversified which
led ultimately to our species and its overuse of resources and disregard
for the many other species which have become extinct because of our
maladroit use and miss-use of the power we have wielded against the
environment. I believe in spite of any attempt we make now to correct
these mistakes, it is too late to alter our destiny. We are quickly
approaching a catoslismic end not just for ourselves but as many other
species as we can take with us.

 "Prior to the dispersion of humans across the earth, extinction generally
occurred at a continuous low rate, mass extinctions being relatively rare
events. Starting approximately 100,000 years ago, and coinciding with an
increase in the numbers and range of humans, species extinctions have
increased to a rate unprecedented since the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction
event. This is known as the Holocene extinction event and is at least the
sixth such extinction event. Some experts have estimated that up to half
of presently existing species.." (URL: http://life6.beyondgenes.com/)

 "There are differing estimates of the number of major mass extinctions in
the last 540 million years, ranging from as few as five to more than
twenty discrete extinctions. These differences stem primarily from the
threshold chosen for describing an extinction event as "major"; and, what
set of data one chooses as the best measure of past diversity." (URL:
http://beyondgenes.com/)

 There are limits on resources and a constant competition for them. Greed
and irresponsibility is built-in to human behavior. Eventually everything
we influence will become extinct. Some faster than others.

 Just when we think we may begin to really enjoy our lives or should - or
at least we being to partially figure it all out and we plan for a better
conclusion, SHIT HAPPENS and what was isn't. Plans are something someone
else makes. Happiness is as elusory as life is ephemeral. Our lives are
swift moments riding a wave of gravity curving space-time.

 There are black hole and gamma rays headed right for us!

 The Earth can be swallowed up a black hole. A black hole traveling in our
Milky Way Galaxy at four times faster than any stars around it, an event
invisible yet there is ample evidence of it's existence. It is also the
result of a Supernova, the death of an exploding star.

 This particular Black Hole is about 6,000 light years away and it is
headed this way.

 "This is the first black hole found to be moving fast through the plane of
our galaxy," said Felix Mirabel, a researcher at the French Atomic Energy
Commission.

 So, how close will it come to the Earth and when. Sometime in the next 230
million years and likely won't be closer than 1,000 light years but know
that there are about a million of these black holes in just our own galaxy
AND there are a lot of exploding stars some of which becoming supernovaes
spewing death rays and heavy matter across the universe.

 The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was scheduled to be turned on last year
but delayed several times (the last time in September 2009) now expected
to be started up in November of 2009. Critics are worried about a black
hole which might swallow up the Earth.

 The particle collider will test predictions about dark matter and attempt
to detect the "Higgs Boson" - sometimes referred to as the "God Particle"
by smashing protons at trillions of degrees and 99.99% of the speed of
light.
End of the World

 LHC has been dubbed the Doomsday Device and the Big Bang Machine. It is
the world's most powerful atom smasher ever built. As noted above, 20,000
magnets along the 17 mile tunnel will power particle collisions and if
everything works according to plan, detectors will observe new elements
never before seen or analyzed. It will take years to evaluate all of the
experimental data obtained by these tests. As noted previously technical
difficulties caused a shut down of the work until a new start up date in
the spring of 2009. Some of the problems have been blamed on bad cabling,
faulty soldering and leakage of tonnes of ultra-cold liquid helium into
the tunnels causing a rise above the magnet operating temperature of 1.9
K. Some are calling the rush to restart reckless, irresponsible - and
potentially could annihilate life on the planet.

    * See: http://www.physicsworld.com/

 It is expected the Large Hadron Collider will not only be capable of
creating new particles, it will also create miniature Big Bangs, Micro
Black Holes, Strangelets, Antimatter (which was annihilated at the time of
the Big Bang - and ALSO other potentially cataclysmic phenomena...

    * Also see: http://www.SaneScience.org

 "The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rjula in the
BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly
admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of
course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we
don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with
this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into
the unknown." (Quoted from http://Sane.Science.Org)

 There is litigation against 20 countries, including the United States to
keep the collider shut down for fear the LHC would create a black hole
which will swallow the Earth.

 Super solar flares, exploding stars, asteroids and meteors and perhaps the
LHC all pose a possible threat to Earth and this solar system. Nothing is
forever!

 Could the Large Hadron Collider Swallow the Earth?

 There is some concern, whether justified or not, in the media, on the NET
and in the courts about the safety of particle collisions at the new Large
Hadron Collider. Problems have hampered turning it on but even after it is
started it will be awhile before the energy is turned up. The LHC as noted
here elsewhere is the world's largest and most powerful particle
accelerator.

 There is a very real expectation that micro black holes are going to be
produced by the LHC including several hypothetical particles including
Strangelets. So far technical problems have plagued the planned start-up
of the LHC. The new estimated date for starting it up is in November of
2009.

 Independent scientists have undertaken a risk analysis for CERN and their
report issued in 2003 concluded no discernible threat. A second review in
2008, like another report for the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC)
reaffirmed the first report that there is "no conceivable threat" from
these particle colliders.

 These reports were prepared by physicists who were not involved in the LHC
experiments.

 "The report, prepared by a group of physicists not involved in the LHC
experiments, reaffirmed the safety of the LHC collisions in light of
further research conducted since the 2003 assessment. It was reviewed and
endorsed by a CERN committee of 20 external scientists and by the
Executive Committee of the Division of Particles & Fields of the American
Physical Society, and was later published in the peer-reviewed Journal of
Physics G by the UK Institute of Physics, which also endorsed its
conclusions. The report ruled out any doomsday scenario at the LHC: the
physical conditions and events that will be created in the LHC experiments
occur naturally in the universe without hazardous consequences."
(Wikipedia)

    * * Also see http://arxiv.org/ * Also see http://www.physorg.com/

 I'm not worried about the Large Hadron Collider. And the probability of
being impacted by an Asteroid or Meteor - or super-Earthquake is less than
the probability of winning a state lottery. I think LHC it is an exciting
project and look forward to advances in science and what we may learn from
it.

 How Significant Are We?
Not
   M U C H...

 I am more concerned about Global Warming for causing an "extinction level
event" but I don't think we have enough motivation to do anything about
it. And if we let Climate Change beat us, we probably deserve it. AND
starting over just doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me anyway.

 "We are, if anything, a small bit of pollution in the Universe dominated
not by matter such as that which makes us up, but rather matter and energy
that appear to be completely different from anything we have ever observed
on Earth. If we did not feel cosmically insignificant before, we should
now." (Hooper - ibid)

    Hank Roth

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